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Liz Alterman's avatar

This is so helpful! I love the examples of how to phrase things! Thanks, Julie and Pia!

Pia Owens's avatar

Thanks for reading, Liz!

Julie Vick's avatar

❤️ ❤️

Tina Neidlein's avatar

Well this was fantastic, and when I read Pia’s newsletter, I couldn’t hit that “subscribe” fast enough. Just met with a writer right out of college this morning and we had a long discussion about knowing and negotiating your worth. (I pretended I had it all figured out. I think she bought it!)

Julie Vick's avatar

I'm sure she did! I think it is really hard especially if you get a yes from a dream pub or when you are just starting out to also negotiate, it definitely took me a while to start doing it or even just saying no to things that were not a good use of my time.

Pia Owens's avatar

Thanks Tina! Knowing your worth, I think, is a lifelong practice. Sometimes you’re just trying to convince yourself! But I often tell people, if someone is spending their time talking to you, it means they see value in you and want to share in that. So you don’t have to convince them. They already know!

Caitlin Kunkel's avatar

Pia is the best!!! So glad to see her in here, thank you, Julie!

Julie Vick's avatar

I love her tips and glad to see that you are a fan of Pia's too :)

Caitlin Kunkel's avatar

She took my book proposal class, I want her to write a book on this!

Pia Owens's avatar

I’m working on it! And I’m a fan of both of you too.

Julie Vick's avatar

Ooh she should!

R.L. Maizes's avatar

Great piece! Thanks, Pia. I also tried to negotiate a salary right after learning about it in law school. I didn’t get the job. True story. However, that was because I didn’t ask right, I now realize (thanks, again, Pia). I should have asked if there was flexibility.

Julie Vick's avatar

I feel like it's hard to find the right way to word things at times so I appreciated the wording tips Pia gave.

R.L. Maizes's avatar

Yes! Very helpful.

Julie Vick's avatar

And obviously the job made the wrong choice on not hiring you! Maybe you can name a villain in a future novel after them?

R.L. Maizes's avatar

I have named many lovely characters after the kind people in my life. I don’t tell them and wait for them to discover it. But that is an excellent suggestion. 😂

Pia Owens's avatar

The word “flexibility” does so much! Honestly, I think people put too much pressure on themselves to word things just right. There could have been any number of reasons someone else got the job. Still, so glad this was helpful!

R.L. Maizes's avatar

Wanted to say thank you, Pia and Julie, because I was just able to successfully negotiate a rate using Pia's advice.

Julie Vick's avatar

Glad to hear that!

Leslie Gaar's avatar

This is such great info, and I love how Pia said twice to value your work. Yes!! (Also, jealous of your GIF knowledge ;) )

Julie Vick's avatar

I love the value part too and I know the GIF skill is impressive 😂

Mikhal's avatar

This is super helpful! I am *terrible* at negotiating, and the one time I tried to ask for more money the client got so grumpy about it I haven't done so since. Although, in hindsight, that was a weird interaction anyway. For what it's worth, whenever I've had $$ conversations with non-male clients/editors/etc it's gone much more smoothly than with menfolk. This is purely anecdotal, just something I've noticed.

Julie Vick's avatar

That is interesting. I think it's hard to try again when you have a bad interaction sometimes (at least for me!). Although a bad interaction about a reasonable ask maybe indicates it won't be the rest working relationship for other things too sometimes.

Mikhal's avatar

I think that's really true. I think it's also hard to negotiate when you aren't super sure what other folks are charging for similar work, you know? There's so little transparency in the biz around rates and it can be hard as a freelancer to know where you stand sometimes.

Julie Vick's avatar

So true! It's really hard if you aren't sure what a reasonable ask in terms of rates is.

Amran Gowani's avatar

And you figured out how to caption your gifs, too! You're ahead of the curve.

Julie Vick's avatar

I've got an extremely advanced skillset now!